Thread:XxBertholdtxX/@comment-34650195-20180905062221/@comment-34650195-20180906185529

>A lot. It was barely a noble monarchy after they began intense race-mixing and also heavy plotting within the family.

So you are a racist now. Also problems with a specific dynasty or particular form of monarchy are not an argument against the institution as a whole.

>Good rulers such as Murad V were dismissed and retards like Abdulhamid II came to power.

Not an argument to abolish monarchy itself

>It just wasn't working, and either a replacement in dynasty or regime was needed.

Well, why didn't they do that? They could very well make a constitutional monarchy or even a decorative monarchy but no, they wanted to destoy traditional form of state because it they needed a symbolical destruction of it to impress foreigners.

>He did bring secularism my removing Islam from the constitution

Well why did he do that? You have a religion that most of your people practice, why can't you just give it a symbolical mention? That is a common practice across Europe by the way. But that would not be "enlightened" enough, of course.

>didn't oppress anyone for his beliefs

Yes, like by banning bearded people from taking official positions.

>you can find images of him doing his prayer on the internet

Well, as far as I know he was agnostic. And that doesn't justify what he did.

>although WOMEN WERE BANNED FROM EDUCATION BEFORE HE CAME TO POWER!.

Yes, but that is not an argument from later banning those of them he personally didn't like from educating. What would you say if Erdogan would allow only religious people to educate?

>which is why you can see images of him doing our traditional dances or drinking our traditional drinks,

Well that is an usual way for a man who dislikes his culture to show that he actually likes it. They like dances and songs right until it come to serious business.

>He also didn't do anything bad to religion, in fact to lead Muslims in the correct path, he founded "Directorate of Religious Affairs", before that locals were just trusting sheiks on everything, in fact sheiks were so powerful they could get any woman stoned or any man castrated if they just wanted.

Well that doesn't sound that bad.

>Western people don't suck baby penises

Cringe

>and thanks to their cultures live much civilised lives than Arabs.

There was a time when Egyptians were barbarians. There was time when Greeks and Romans were barbarians. Germans were barbarians, English were barbarians and the French, Russians, Chinese, Armenians, Polish and Ethiopians all were barbarians. And they are no more. There was a time when Persians were more civilized than Europeans and there was a time when Arabs were much more civilized than Western Europeans (Islamic Golden Age). And there was also a time when Turks were more civilized than the West and it was under the Ottomans. If you want to become civilized, you need to become civilized and not blindly copy what even in "more civilized" countires in considered controversial.

>You don't see many women being stoned to death or homosexuals being killed just for being homosexuals in Europe a lot, do you?

If you're seriously want to start arguing about gay rights then I'm out.