Thread:Kalašnjikov/@comment-30924651-20170716154441/@comment-30924651-20170716224608

Kalašnjikov wrote:

1. It can be applied to almost anything

2. "The person who will not work will not eat" - Lenin

3. This is irrelevant

4. Yes communism brings so much weakness that peasants themselves decided to fight one of the most powerful forces in history (Nazi Germany in Yugoslavia, Tsardom in Russia)

5. Communism is perfection :^)

6. Fuck yeah I love empires and how peasants and workers are treated like literal shit. Ask yourself if the Russian empire was great why did the people revolt?

7. In Yugoslavia for example communism/socialism was the only reason ethnic hate didn't exist

8. This is just a straight up lie

9. Fuck Putin

10. It never did, folk dances and all that stuff weren't harmed under communism which wasn't even a problem. Capitalism kills more and communism killing MUH 100 MILLION  is a huge lie

11. Trump bombed Assad fuck him

1. Well, this discussion is pointless.

2. So Lenin said some sentence and he copied it from the Holy Text. And what? And that is still agianst Leftism.

3. It is not.

4. >Peasants

In Yugoslavia it was a Patriotic war. In Russia it was fanatic and illogical sect that claimed to be people's voice but it wasn't. And in the end it ruined everything. You forget the main thing. Strenght and weakness. Communism brings weakness both to the system and to the individual and makes everything worse both for the systems and for the individuals. Therefore it is wrong. Simply logic.

5. It is not. Whole idea of Communism is that they first destroy everything and then they will all smile, dance and sing like in some fairy tale fantasy. But it doesn't work so. With so flawful creature as human is any "perfect society" is impossible. And Communism only increases these imperfections. When even the greatest of monks, who spent all their life in fighting these flaws were not perfect, how can then an ideology that openly praises these flaws (for example: pride, individualism and seeing your own needs more important than something higher - "Who are Tsars to rule us? We can live without them!", unobjectivity, unobjective emotions, cultivisation of destruction expect of creation, cultivisation of mass stupidity and unobjectivity "See now how this glorius horde of people will destroy everything old and rotten and kill everyone they don't like! See the power of the Mass!")? It's like a child who thinks that he is totally adult and doesn't need mum. Such society cannot work simply because humans would be ruled by their own needs and unobjective emptions, not by reason and higher ideals. And it didn't work. Communists started destroying almost everything human and good in Russia (Orthodoxy and its culture for example) and started to replace it with "modern" and "new", which were actually cold and ugly. And they were in fanatical ecstacy about that. Because they weren't an ideology of perfection and creation, they were an ideology of destruction, acception and praising of flaws and praising eveything bad there is in human. USSR itself survived only by refusing Communism. First, after the Civil war Lenin started "the New Economical Policy" which actually was restored Captialism. And when they managed to have enought taxes they ended it. So, USSR was saved by Capitalism. And from its first steps USSR was totalitarian. Which is anti-Communistic, right? In its later period people of USSR and government saw ideals of USSR as "home, order, law and traditional values". That's pretty unCommunistic. Acrually that was Fascist. So, USSR survived only because of Capitalism and Fascism. Pretty ironic, right?

6. You don't get whole idea. First of all. The system makes things better. And it can be unfair, because humans are not perfect. But just that fact doesn't mean you have to destroy it. Maybe reform, but not destroy. It makes worse for everyone. Millions of peasants died after the fall of Russian Empire and not because of war but because of hunger. System was broken. Second of all, USSR created even worse systems with kolchozs and many peasants sided with Nazis only to get out of that "freedom" to "slavery". Third of all. The System is a thing created by humans to serve humans. It was so from the end of times. Animals, Stone Age humans, later humans, they all come to the one system with hierarchy and one leader. Why didn't they create a democracy or an equal society. Because they were less effective. Because the goal of the tribe or the empire was more important than individual goal. Because in the end if if they are in group and group will success they will success much more. If ten warriors are fighting against beasts but someone will take the weapons because it is about his personal needs he maybe will success, but everyone will not success. And he is one of them. Beasts will destroy their home. Maybe that who took other's weapons will survive but he will be in much worse situation than if he would sell collective intrests as higher than personal. And Communists are those who go against intrests of the higher things because of they personal intrests. That's a flaw, right? A weakness. And weakness must be destroyed.

7. That's because of needs of higher things. They understood that being together is better. And they had a higher ideal which was Communism. But it would be Liberalism or Fascism as well. When people uprised it was not about ideology of equality and freedom, it was about "opressive" order that unity brought. It would be any other ideal. People rose against the system, not against the ideology. And I spook about another hatred. Class hatred. Communists fanatically destroyed everything they disliked, such as portrets of Tsars, monuments and other. They brutally killed a lot of people who just disagreed with them, peasants included. They were filled with hatred and wanted to destroy. That's a weakness.

8. It is not.

9. Before Putin Russia was Northern Nigeria. Now Russia is relativly rich European country and a superpower. Pretty different from Lenin's doings.

10. Communism destroyed a lot of architecture, traditions and paintings just for them being "old". They even wanted to explode whole St.Petersburg's historical center "because it was filled by tsarism and imperialistic culture". And they enjoyed that. They liked to destroy.

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