Thread:The Planless Crashman/@comment-33706373-20180531143007/@comment-33591100-20180601152218

CantoneseDragon wrote: I don’t care if you're going to remove it or not

And I’m not interested in spent my time running for sources

I live in Hong Kong and I have access to what happens in both places, and believe me, Hong Kong is a lair of fake news

I’m just telling you to be smart and not believe in every article you read on the internet

Remember Albert Einstein told us in 1971 that we shouldn’t believe in everything we see on the internet

Anyway anti Japanese sentiment is not a bad thing, and no one lied about Sino Japanese War

First, Sino Japanese War is not a correct name, it should be called Japanese Invasion of China, because that’s what it really was. Japan invading China for imperialistic reasons and committing bloody atrocities here that later where forgotten and relieved by the USA and the rest of the world who cleaned the Japanese sword full of Chinese blood

Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931, Chinese resistance against imperialist Japanese began at that year. This is unanimity here independent of political group

And events that happened in civil can’t be compared with what has been done by the Japanese in any way because it has no historical validity

Mao killed people in a civil war and in military conflict both sides did terrible things. Later people died in post war situations, thanks to Cold War reality and later starvation, but Mao at least even being a leader full of actions that I disagree with had the conscience to admit that he committed mistakes and that his policies were bad. Different from Winston Churchill that during famine in India that killed millions and millions of people blamed the Indians for “breeding like rabbits”. Still Churchill is seeing as a British hero who fought against the fascist Germany and Mao who fought against fascist Japan a barbaric Chinese murderer

But of course Mao was worse than Japan, because Japan is civilized, humanistic pro Western ideas country and China is barbaric, inhuman Asian who refuses to follow those ideas. How dare someone to say that if Japan would win that would be worse to humanity than victory of China

The number of people killed by Japan was fucking high, yes modern statistic says that at least 20 million of people died, https://dose.com/articles/the-asian-holocaust-killed-twice-as-many-people-as-the-nazis-did/, but muh its Chinese statistic has no validity. Why people refuse to accept it? Maybe because again China is barbaric enemy of the Western civilization and Japan the good civilized puppet? That’s why it’s so easy to accept that Hitler was a terrible bastard for killing Jews, Americans, French and British (not Russians tho they are irrelevant) and it’s so difficult to accept the crimes of Japan because Japan just killed some Chinese and other not friendly Asian pigs

The only ones who lied about Sino Japanese War were the Japanese who refused to recognize their crimes and wrote their history books to make everything they committed have no relevance in fact they try to hide everything related to it, so they create the illusion in the head of the children that Japan has always been a pacifist and cute thing, here read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21226068 This is the part where I put counter arguements.

-Why? Wouldn't getting rid of fake news benefit both of us?

-Sources. Are. Everything.

-Yeah, you live in Hong Kong, and of course I believe you've got fake news. SCMP is owned by the Alibaba group, which is directly owned by the CCP, so of course they'd lie about their political status

-Yeah, I know not to believe everything on he internet, I research who put up the article before I put my sources.

-Oh hey Einstein. I like that guy.

-So discriminating a certain group of people, mostly because of the crimes commited by the military and government, done 70+ years ago, and letting the people who may not even have a connection to the government in anyway, take the fall of it. Yeah that seems alright. Also, you are stating that no one lied about the Sino-Japanese war, even though you later state that the only ones who lied were the Japanese. I'm just gonna assume you meant to word that differently.

-It still was a war between the Chinese and Japanese, though. Yeah it was an invasion, but so was:

-They did invade Manchuria in 1931. But, that wasn't the start of the Second Sino-Japanese war. The Second Sino-Japanese war actually started in 1937, following when Japanese troops started marching to Beijing. The invasion of Manchuria was a prelude.
 * The gulf war (but it was unsuccessful)
 * The Boer wars
 * The Winter War (even if it turned out to be a complete embarressment for the USSR)
 * The Greco-Italian war
 * The first Italo-Ethiopian war (it failed very hard tho)
 * The second Italo-Ethiopian war
 * The peaceful liberation of Tibet
 * The Spanish American war (well, that was just Spain's colonies, but still)
 * The Disney-Fox wars. (ok, I'm kidding about that last one)

-Actually, from what I could find, only about 8-11 million died in the civil war. And that would be on both sides of the conflict. Meanwhile, Mao killed 45 million in 4 years, outshining Hitler and Stalin, and that was between 1958 and 1962 alone.

-Eh...no. If Mao had pro-Asian ideas, then y'know, a lot of more people would still be around in Asia, and a lot of Asian culture would still be around. And what Japan are we talking about? Imperial Japan only followed the Imperial part of Western Ideas. Modern Japan is a lot less...murdery.

-I think the reason they don't wanna put it in is more staying away from the dark past, even if not acknoledging that it happened is probably one of the worst ways to do that.

-Both of them lied about the Sino-Japanese war. Japan about it's existence, and China about its length.

-Also, quickly just unrelaed to anything else, why'd you focus on the Japanese parts of the "CCP is evil" part of my page?

Anyway, here are some sources:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a0f86f3338ac

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong

http://alphahistory.com/chineserevolution/chinese-civil-war/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War

http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780199791279/obo-9780199791279-0031.xml

Who owns these sites:

Washington post is owned by the WP company and Jeff Bezos, but WP is themselves, and Jeff only owned it 2013 onwards

You already know Wikipedia

Alpha History is independent and is used by school teachers

Oxford Bibliographies are owned by Oxford University, which I'm assuming you know.