Thread:Arsonist Firefly54/@comment-35011311-20180813115524/@comment-34650195-20180820145202

>What happened to the "HE LITERALLY WANTS TO RESTORE THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE"

Again, I do not support Erdogan, I just claim he is good for Turkey.

>1. Just to get it out of the way, I'm not Turkish, I was born Kurdish and I've been culturally assimilated into an Anglo-Frisian.

Okay but I still think your hatred to Turkey is too much. Wanting somebody to conquer your country and take away its independence just becuase his government is better is really stupid and dishonourable.

>2. Erdogan modernised Turkey? The fuck are you talking about nibba. He actually wants to de-modernise Turkey.

That is why his party wanted to build a mall on the place of a park, right? His whole campagin is based on innovation and progress and that is what he does.

>Erdogan isn't a nationalist, he's the exact opposite of that.

That is why he is walking everywhere waving flags, glorifying empires of the past and speaking that Turkey and its culture should be made great again?

>He, just like the Chomars, wants to Arabise Turkey because he's part of that stupid population who believe that speaking Arabic and being Arabic somehow makes you a better Muslim, even though it's believed that Muhammad advocated equality and said quote on quote "Arabs aren't superior to any other Muslims.

First, that does not make him non-nationalist. Second, do you realize that "Arabization" in Turkey's case means opposite of "Westernization". Ottoman empire was at its greatest when it was Arabized (not by being forced) to and there is no way that adopting Latin alphabet and doing everyhting like US will make it more "Turkish".

P.S. If you would know something about Islam you would know that according its teachings Quran mst be truly understood only on Arabic language because it was originally written on it and since Quran is a poetic books and some of the meaning can't be properly understood in other languages. You can agree with it, you can disagree with is it right practice or not as well is Islam rhe right religion at all, but there is nothing inherintly antinationalistic in it.

>3. The "disallowance for holding hands in public" thing isn't a cultural value, it strictly comes from Islam.

How does that work? How that it comes from Islam makes it non-cultural value?

>Turkish culture was based off of Asian Steppe culture with influences from the Tengri religion, much like the Mongols.

So you value culture of a barbarian nomands over culture of a huge Mediterranean empire?

>But their culture never had a policy of discouraging showing attraction in public, it comes only from Islam.

Now Islam is a part of the Turkish culture so that's not an argument.

>A mosque isn't a fucking palace. Its only purpose is providing a base for Muslims to do their five-times-a-day prayers if they want to do it in Jamaat (Jamaat = The act of doing the prayer with the local Muslim community rather than alone at home).

So? It is the epicentre of spiritual life, it should be big and betiful. And in many numbers. In Christian Europe cathedrals were symbols of spiritual and material greatness, so yes, it should be done.

>A mosque only serves religious purposes, it has nothing to do with the nation, it can't boost a country's national pride.

What? It is your nation's religion's epicenter, this is the temple of your God and your values. What are you talking about?

>6. Chomars are people who mostly live in Inner Anatolia, which is surrounded by mountains. Perhaps they're extremely stupid because the mountains around prevent oxygen from reaching their homes and essentially their brains. They buy cans of Coca-Cola and Iphones for the sole purpose of destroying them because they think they're "Boycotting Israel" by doing that. In this video, some chomars are bothering a shopkeeper for having a "Black Friday" in her shop. Because Friday is the holy day of Islam and they believe "Black Friday" was created by the Jews and the Americans to mock Islam. https://youtu.be/9UBymneEilw And in this video, some of them find a notebook of GTA IV cheat codes and mistake it for secret codes used by the coupers from the 15 July coup. https://youtu.be/BSE-Q7hvXQs

This is so typical for liberals. They label common folk who opposes them as stupid, demonizes and dehumanizes it and then choses several retards who exist in every group of people and view entire group in context of them. That is what is happening in US, UK, Germany, France, Russia, China, Arab world and everywhere. That is not an argument to me.

>7. Before Ataturk truly modernised the country, children and teeganers were encouraged to become shepherds, farmers or other rural crap like that. They were openly discouraged from taking education and were told "What will getting an education give you?".

Wtf is this 1800-era propaganda? Of course in a declinign and stagnant society there can be people like that. But that does not mean that Ottomanism is bad for Turkey, that doesn't justify cultural colonization of Turkey carried our by Ataturk and that does in no way explain why Turkey should stop supporting Erdogan and leftist liberalism instead of it.

>Ataturk was the real nationalist you're wishing for, he modernised the Turkish language and replaced the Arabic alphabet with a Latin alphabet, he banned the fez which was an Ottoman symbol, he banned titles like "Father, Sheikh, Son of" and instead passed on the "Surname Law".

Did you even read what did you write?

He changed alphabet of his country to the one that used in the West.

He banned national clothes of his nation for symbolizing its age of greatness.

He banned traditional way to describe your name in favor of the Western one.

And he banned them. Not discouraged but banned. Even Lenin and Stalin didn't go so far. How can Turks actually not destroy his mausoleum? Do you even realize the insanity of national cuckoldry and antipatriotism of there acts?

>Ataturk modernised and nationalised Turkey and prevented it from being another wictim of Arabic assimilation like Egypt.

What? Egypt was inhabited by Arabs. Turkey ruled Arabs. Arabs disliked Turkey for that.

>You know nothing about Turkish history, you're only pretending to know about it just like you do with everything else. Go do research before discussing anything.

You probably know slightly more about Turkish history than me but you clearly have problems with analyzing it.