Board Thread:Political Discussion/@comment-45820401-20200610191325/@comment-38730394-20200612215051

DiogoC3000 wrote: It is true that the United States has done and does MANY things badly. Things that caused a lot of suffering, and many of them just for your political interest.

The United States has intervened many times in the world, causing suffering and sometimes it was only for its own political interests. The United States makes mistakes and does very bad things. But if it weren't for the United States, much of the world would have fallen into the grip of communism and the Soviet Union. This would have spread its disturbing ideology freely, would have caused more deaths than it already did, would fill the world with gulags and would impose a policy that would lead to widespread poverty and oppression. Thanks to the United States, the world has not collapsed.

It is true that some Uighurs were recruited by ISIS. ISIS is one of the most horrible and hateful groups that humanity has ever seen. Fortunately, these were defeated by the Kurds, supported by the United States. The United States defeated the Islamic State and with them these horrible Uighur radicals!

However, the majority of the Uighur movement is above all nationalist and only afterwards is it Islamic. Concentration camps with schools, festivals and comfort? Do you believe that version of the story told by the Chinese regime? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMkHcZ5IwjU

You cannot tell me that the governments of Syria, Venezuela and North Korea do not oppress the people themselves! Nicolas Maduro, the Assad and Kim dynasty are and were horrible dictators!

It is true that Tibet was very poor but it was independent! But China violated international law and invaded! It brought wealth to an impoverished region, but it also took millions of Han Chinese to literally "kill" Tibetan culture. The boy chosen as the next Dalai Lama was kidnapped by the Chinese authorities and never seen again. Chinese censorship is worse than ever and extends beyond Tibet. So what happened to the thousands of Tibetans who are currently demonstrating against Chinese oppression in Tibet? Did you forget this?

What about the protests in Hong Kong? Or do you also think that demonstrations by millions of people are controlled by the United States? Or do you also think that the overwhelming victory of Hong Kong's anti-China parties was made by the United States?

China’s vast pool of cheap labour, its absence of social or environmental restraints means it can undercut the rest of the world. Its unfair practices are killing jobs around the globe. Failure to protect intellectual property rights means competitors are ripped off and consumers dumped with substandard counterfeits. China’s insatiable demand is pushing up world prices for oil and minerals. The world’s biggest polluter is also destroying the planet, its carbon emissions are up 171 percent since 2000.

China uses its immense economic power to get other countries hooked on handouts. Chinese aid and investment has secured an unhealthy hold over nations across Africa, enabling it to harvest their mineral resources and exploit their workforces. Its grip on $1.261 trillion of American debt looms over the US economy. Now colonization by stealth has reached the Europe, as China grabs Portuguese power companies, Greek ports and whatever other bargains appear in the euro-crisis fire sale.

China is a direct threat to European and US hopes of spreading democratic values. Beyond its repression of domestic dissidence, China has been a consistent barrier to UN efforts to curtail despotism from Myanmar to Sudan and Syria. Beijing’s Africa policy runs counter to EU attempts to link development to human rights. China protects and funds corrupt, authoritarian and oppressive countries, such as North Korea, Venezuela and others.

The United States is not going to fall anytime soon. Do you really want the new world superpower to be an authoritarian and horrible state?

You can ignore the oppression that China is defending. You can ignore that China ignores human rights. You can ignore that China is an authoritarian dictatorship and not a liberal democracy. You can ignore that China causes instability in the world, threatening Taiwan, ignoring the claims of the people of Taiwan for independence. You can ignore that China is arresting dozens of countries for a credit and debit trap. You can ignore that China exploits its people for their economic growth. You can ignore that China is making opponents of the regime disappear. You can ignore that China censors the media. You can ignore that China is the bastion of authoritarianism in the world (supporting corrupt, authoritarian and horrible countries), but you cannot ignore that China is dangerous and needs to be stopped. "But if it weren't for the United States, much of the world would have fallen into the grip of communism and the Soviet Union." If not for the United States, we wouldn't have had this problem to begin with. All the stuff about the "red scare" and communism "taking over the world" was just propaganda. The people of the USSR were normal people just like anybody else. They had emotions too, and to just lump them all together due to one or two corrupt dictators isn't fair to the millions of good, hard-working people of the USSR. Communism is not the problem. One corrupt dictator swayed the entire west into believing that communists were evil, but in reality we were the evil ones, provoking them at every opportunity.

​​​​​​"Thanks to the United States, the world has not collapsed." And it might be because of the United States that it will. Thanks to some idiots in the government right now, thousands and hundreds of thousands of Americans are dying in hospital beds due to COVID-19 when, if they had done their job properly, we would have maybe a thousand cases overall. The United States has killed and slaughtered millions to spread their own corrupt ideologies much further than Communism ever did. The incompetent government has been inches away from starting world war three many times in the past few years. America's government in the past few years has done nothing to help others around the world who are starving to death and everything to get a few cents more money in their pockets.

America abandoned the Kurds to die because it wasn't profitable. That tells you more than the fact that we helped defeat them.

I heavily agree that those dictators are corrupt and the people need freedom, but whining on the internet won't stop that. Besides, the common people have no way of escaping. There's no safe way to take them down without starting WW3.

China has done nothing different than what Americans did to millions more native Americans, Africans, Pacific Islanders, and even our own Japanese and German citizens in World War 2. Before you condemn another person, think about what you've done first. Every race has committed atrocities, mass-murdered millions, and treated outsiders horribly. Americans are in no way exempt.

What about the protests in Hong Kong?

Boycotting Chinese products would demolish our own economies by skyrocketing prices for everything around the world. There is no safe way to stop Chinese pollution unless the United Nations passes a decree about it, which they have shown too useless and cowardly to do.

Again, we have done the same stuff as they have. The largest threat to independence is America itself. The horrendously corrupt government, blatant racism, prejudice, racial pride, and corporations dominating the economy allow us less freedoms by the day. Your voice has no real power in America unless you're rich, which most aren't. Only after the re-establishment of independence, equality, and free economy in America can we hope to spread it elsewhere.

"The United States is not going to fall any time soon." That's what they said every year leading up to the civil war. Have you even seen what's happening here? Millions in poverty and a few million more spiraling lower every year. Viruses and diseases raging rampant while the government does nothing to stop it. Unchecked government and police oppression brutally attacking and even killing citizens for what, the satisfaction of a bigger paycheck? A stupid, sacrilegious photo shoot? Face it: unless WE change, the United States already is a dictatorship.

You can ignore the oppression that America is creating. You can ignore that the government kills to get money. You can ignore that America is an authoritarian dictatorship and not a liberal democracy. You can ignore that America ruins the stability in the world, slaughtering innocents, supporting the Neo-Nazi Israeli in their quest to wipe out the Palestinians. You can ignore that America is destroying other nations to gather natural resources they don't need. You can ignore that America assaults its people for their own gain. You can ignore that the government is firing people they don't agree with. You can ignore that American companies censors the media. You can ignore that America is the bastion of corruption and destruction in the world (destroying perfectly fine, peaceful, independence-seeking Countries), but you cannot ignore that America is dangerous and needs to be stopped.