Thread:4th of Augustball/@comment-44367171-20200112145538/@comment-31790865-20200114091915

To answer your first question... yes, yes they were Socialist (at lease in regards to the economic specterum). The idea of nationalising all industries to be under the control of the state and for the state to be in charge over the affairs of the individual for the "greater good of the group" are Socialistic in nature. The ideologies of "Collectivism" and "Communitarianism" are associated with the Socialist ideology and have been welcomed by the Nazi movement with open arms. Granted, the Nazis and Fascists rejected the notion of "class warfare" and the politically liberal outlooks of Socialism but this did not stop them from adopting the Socialist outlook in regards to their economy.

This is why Fascism is economically undefined as we have seen Fascist regimes that have adopted Socialism (such as Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy), Capitalism (such as Augusto Pinochet's Chile), Syndicalism (Such as the Falangist movement in Spain) and Corporatism (such as Metaxas's Greece). Socialism is not seperate from Nationalism and certainly not Fascism.

In regards to your second question, Yes, I know of the somewhat Nationalistic based outlooks that Communist regimes (such as Romania, Vietnam and Yugoslavia to a degree) have possessed. But can you truly say this is representive of what Marx or Communist literature envisioned? Nationalistic thought in the traditional sense is denounced by the Communist intelligentsia and thus is rarely entertained by them. An example of this would be the Italian Socialist Party (before 1945 as back then, they turned to the ideas of "Revolutionary Socialism") as they protested against Italy joining the Great War as they deemed the conflict to be meaningless as it pitted the working man of one country against the working man of another.

Based off of this idea, Communism is anti-Nationalist in it's traditional form. Sure there may be regimes that do not follow this method, but I don't believe the writings of Marx or Engels supported the notion of Nationalism.