Thread:The United Duchy of Germany and Ukraine/@comment-30924651-20170309161944/@comment-30924651-20170521144403

In some way they both are, of course. In some way FYROM is Macedon's successor too.

But Russia is exactly same state as Russia. There is such a thing as governmental succession.

History of Russian statedom starts from Calling of Rurik in Old Ladoga ad Gardricea. Rurik was the first knyaz. Then the center of Russia moved to different cities, Great Novgorod, Kiev, Vladimir, Suzdal, Tver. But that was the same statedom. Even under Mongol rule. There was great knyaz of all Rus, he was in Kiev, he was in Tver, in different cities and he fought other knyazs but still there was one statedom of Rus of knyzdoms with one main knyazdom than ruled all. And in some point of the history, the state was reformed into Tsardom of Russia. And everything¨that was after it, Russian Empire, RSFSR, Russian Federation, they all are successors of Kievan Rus. And in which way Ukrainan statedom is a successor of Kievan Rus?

Also Ukrainan "national identity" is based on resisting everything Russian, including that was in Kievan Rus. They try to connect their "non-Russian" culture with derussoficated cossak culture, but that just doesn't fit. Because Kievan Rus was purily Russian and cossakism is a mix of Turkic and Russian culture.

P.S. "Kievan Rus" is a modern term. In reality Kievan Rus existed before Kiev was even founded and on other territories - Old Ladoga and Great Novgorod.